Posts by rebelfighter

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

rebelfighter

OrphanCrow,

Since finding this sight that has been my question all along. These Elders do not see the harm in questioning these children?

But then again I watch their children's videos and some of the children's books that have been put up here and I sit here going what emotional abuse!! The entire organization is exempt from any knowledge of child development. They start from the earliest age abusing these kids emotionally.

The first introduction into the world of JW was the booklet on Families. That set off enough red flags for me but in no way prepared me for the shock I would get when I found this website. WOW!!! And the "Elder" thought I would be interested in becoming a JW.

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

rebelfighter

Richard,

Never a JW here, I belong to one of those you know organizations that are referred to as Babylon groups and we work with the youth groups. We really do not care what the state and federal laws are, it is our policy if we as much suspect child abuse we do not question or investigate we simply call the proper authorities. They are trained to investigate and either deal with the matter or clear the matter.

One of the incidents recently was a child that her father was from the ranks. If I had to relate thus to a JW situation probably like a CO. This man went to his superiors immediately complaining and reporting us. Their response was real clear you better be clearing this up with the proper authorities and make sure YOU and your family are on tract because we DO NOT tolerate this behavior. You need to do what they say to clear this from the records .

PS we are all Certified Adult Volunteers both male and female if a female youth approaches a male CAV he is instructed to immediately find a female CAV turn the youth over to the adult female. NO male adult CAV is to ever be present when a female youth is talking about abuse!!! Those are the rules.

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Poor people are sub-human?

by Alostpuppydog in

has anyone noticed how many jw's really seem to be rollin in it?

escpecially the elders, and they treat their subordinates like filthy gum on the bottom of their shoe?

just wondering because i too am poorer than poor and have spent a fourth of my life homeless already and i am 22.. another thing to consider is why domost of the population on this planet seem to hate the poor, even though we outnumber the middle class and the rich greatly?

rebelfighter

If the gov't is willing to subsidize all these women who want to be baby factories it is about time they look into solving some of the homeless issues. Some of the chronic homeless issues you refer to is the result of our Veterans who have returned with untreated mental and physical handicaps which we have not addressed.

There is absolutely no reason why this society should not provide better for our Veterans.

You also stated when you are hit with hard times like you told dog suck it up make changes and move on and better yourself. For some people that is great advise and very easy to do but other people that is a struggle. Also it will depend on how many hard times they are hit with at one time as to whether they can ride out the storm without some serious professional help. Some of us are built to endure just about anything life can deal out where others are going to crumble under the pressure of one life event.

Trust me the way you raised your kids did not have anything to do with whether or not they would be tough in life events.

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Poor people are sub-human?

by Alostpuppydog in

has anyone noticed how many jw's really seem to be rollin in it?

escpecially the elders, and they treat their subordinates like filthy gum on the bottom of their shoe?

just wondering because i too am poorer than poor and have spent a fourth of my life homeless already and i am 22.. another thing to consider is why domost of the population on this planet seem to hate the poor, even though we outnumber the middle class and the rich greatly?

rebelfighter

DJS,

You have no clue what has created some of the homeless situations in the USA. Nor do you have a clue how entitled some of these people feel they are to government benefits. I just finished reading this entire thread missing it as it was going on but these two points stand out. On another point how exactly did you help your family members?

Point 1: Some of our Veterans and their families LOST their homes during the financial crisis because the homes were devalued and took them through foreclosures. I have no idea what area you are located but there were areas near me that values plummeted 50 to 70%. Banks were not willing to work with these people in the beginning. These people did not want to be homeless they are hardworking tax paying citizens who a member of the family fought for you and me to live in freedom. No those Satan's that work in that financial industry that robbed all of us our money that should have their butt behind bars are still collecting their large salaries and annual bonuses. And now they are paying huge fines and penalties for laws they broke during and after the crisis. Can you relate any of this to another company we know calling themselves a religion?

Point 2: Personal knowledge my girlfrield's daughter (who we are not happy with) is one of these entitled people. She sits at home. Husband on disability. Now if she has a child the state will pay her XXX and give her XXX in food stamps plus she will get medicare for the child and herself. Now if she has another repeat and recycle. Well at last count we have popped out number 8 at the hands of us tax payers -- just ludicrous!!!!!

Why don't you describe how you helped your family members? Buy them into alcohol program or drug program? Read them some scriptures.

Do you understand what truly helping a person in need is? At what lengths would you go to help a family member or friend and I am not speaking of monetary? Do you understand true unconditional love.

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Our Art

by The Rebel in

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I really like that Xanthippe.

Cute story my next painting project is my pool deck and lanai. My son so graciously said I will paint and seal it for you. So I sent him a picture of what I wanted. I got an instant reply. I said I would paint not do art work. I should have known you would not have settled for a simple paint job.

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Our Art

by The Rebel in

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Rebel, I love your paintings. For me I love all the arts music, painting, dance, gymnastics, even old architecture you get the idea. Currently I am into mixed medium. I have just learned how to paint palm bark. My first piece was for a large floral arrangement in my dining room. I attempted the other day to post a pic but computers does not like me and went into this forever mode.

You said "thick skinned" never a JW but as an abused victim at least twice I have developed a very thick skin. For forty plus years my days were spent analyzing numbers so at the end of the day it was a great to escape both situation into something far more enjoyable like some form of the arts.

I also remodel the homes we buy to live in. What work I do not do myself, I drive the contractors nuts because all work is custom design. Very rare is anything plain and simple. My last house I custom painted the place myself to the point everyone thought it was wallpaper. The dining room had very fine alternating stripes with glitter paint the color difference was barely noticeable but it was the glitter that set it off. The fourth wall with a fire place was painted the same colors but in diamond pattern.

I just think we are all born with some amazing talents and I just enjoy watching everyone get the most out of these talents.

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The sugar cube.

by The Rebel in

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firstly thanks to cofty & smiddy for the kind words on my " final post" .

this post is simply to say over two months have passed since my last post and since then i have with my wife and son seen elton john live, visited stockholm, berlin, and most importantly appreciated " the natural beauty of my neighbourhood" with out even thinking about the watchtower.

i have also attended 3 watford football matches with my son and made better relationships with my parents, discovered harvey's draught beer and made new friends in my local pub.

rebelfighter

Welcome back, I truly missed your posting. It pleases me that you were able to make a better relationship with your parents that is such wonderful news. Time is such a precious thing, we should cherish each day with our loved ones.

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I think my house is haunted

by Steel in

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things seem to go bump in the night.

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any idea if i should talk to the elder or what they would say?.

rebelfighter

This really happened to us. We bought a very old 4 story colonial. It was my husband, myself and a 1 year old. Every night when we would go to bed after making sure that absolutely everything was turned off in thus house we would hear a very low volume radio playing. Get up go through all 4 stories again - nothing. This went on for weeks until on day when the electrician was there and I happened to mention it to him. He went up to the attic, in the crawl space was a wrap around antenna for a ham radio. Then he came down to the master bedroom checked the phone, simple solution. Problem solved we needed to replace phone with one that did not have a speaker on it because we were picking up the local radio station. House was not haunted. No ghost.

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Did you ever experience true kindness in the Org?

by HereIgo in

i remember when i was about 17, i started shunning an older brother because he was disfellowshipped.

when i graduated high school, he pulled me aside and said " i know you are not supposed to talk to me, but i want you to have this" it was a gift that he had custom made for me.

i was so blown away, we never even had a real conversation before.

rebelfighter

Until I came to this forum I only knew one JW and that was the "Elder" and he was the nicest, kindest, sweetest man I had ever met till he gave me that dreadful booklet on Families. And I started to ask questions about how children were raised and what exactly IS the roll of women in this religion. I was being gentle with the questions had not even gotten into the heavy questions when I got the good bye!! And that was the end of 5 years LOL.

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"We Had No Idea How Manipulative He Can Be!"

by pale.emperor in

very stressfull and upsetting evening was had last night.

i dropped my 2yo daughter off to my ex-wifes home.

all seemed good until i got home.

rebelfighter

I'm sorry but you have to take the gloves off now. Firstly you need to document all Of this. Then contact an anti cult organization and try to get the name of a sympathetic lawyer. NOW is the time to do it with all the ARC stuff in the media. You need to point out to a lawyer the risks to a small child at the kingdom hall

*ARC

*Undue influence the BiTE model

*Shunning, what happened with your "in" family

*Risk to health re transfusion

*Risk to mental health, why two strange men are allowed to question your 2 yr old about your sex life.

*Risk to her mental health as she grows, what if she is gay, number of suicides of young people in the org, sexism against women,

*Risk of domestic abuse, girls told to put up and shut up in marriage

Try to get more access, as the JW are seen more and more as a dangerous cult to kids, please try to get more control over what they can and cannot do - for your daughters sake.

Sorry but this has made me furious.

I can't write anymore it makes me so mad. THEY need to watch their step THEY ARE THE ONES IN A CULT.

I had to copy this because this is the best advise for your daughter. Please get to a good lawyer and arm them with every bit of ammunition to protect your little girl against this cult.